For episode 41 we wanted to be so professional. Kai took his podcast microphone to his co-working space (which is on a really fast fibre connection) for a better recording quality to then have their internet connection break apart halfwalf though our podcast. We actually recorded on the 24th of January - just to make it clear that this is our January podcast and that we're TOTALLY on track for at least one podcast a month in 2017. Since the 24th, Mark was trying to get the editing done and then it was sitting with me for another 2 days until I managed to publish it.

But - we managed to talk about things. Starting off with Kai's house ethernet and wifi rewiring we went on to Mark's "living-in-the-bay-area" bubble and then talked a bit about Ubiquti Wifi gear. As usual we then quite quickly diverge into various aspects of gaming and gaming development tech (Daydream gets a worthwhile mention, too). An interesting discussing arose from that: What'd be the impact on flight training using VR? In particular if you're looking a cost/benefit and potential savings of not having to do as many training flights in a real plane or a very, very, very expensive simulator.

Another tangent was the use of open-source software in the various communities we're hanging out with. Looking at game developer, web dev and enterprise software communities, there's obviously quite a bit difference in how open-source software is used and how the idea of open-source software is fostered.

As announced towards the end of our previous episode, this time we had Geoff Bowers on the show. People might know Geoff from things like Sydney's MXDU resp. webDU conferences, him being the benevolent dictator of the Farcry CMS community and other funky ventures. Also, Geoff's current the secretary of the Lucee Association Switzerland (LAS) and that made him an excellent person to talk to about the Railo fork into Lucee.

This is essentially what this show is about. There's a lot of discussion around the legalities of the fork and the points that various parties made in blog posts or Twitter comment. But - you really need to listen to find out more about all that. We also talk about a few other bits and pieces, such as open-source licenses in a more general way, how to deal with intellectual property of employees and about some events.

Please note that Geoff's audio stream for the first part of the show (until he drops off Skype...) is not the greatest, but it should hopefully still be good enough to get a lot out of it. Sorry for any inconvenience caused.

This recording was actually supposed to happen before the Holidays. But on the morning, Mark was turned into a domestic goddess for the day by his lovely wife, so we had to postpone.

So we're taking on a pretty controversial topic, but one that has been talked about a lot in the blog-o-sphere, and something we have touched on tangentially in the past.

Here is the list of articles we discuss during the podcast:

• CFML 2012: State of the Platform
• State of ColdFusion Platform in 2012
• CFML - Too Little, Too Late?
• Sean said that Nick said that Fusion Authority said...
• Coldfusion and the law of dialectics of progress
• Thoughts on "Coldfusion and the law of dialectics of progress" by Stofke on wheels
• The Last cf.Objective(ANZ)

We talk about our perception of the decline of CFML, specifically in Australia and globally, as well as thoughts on whether or not CFML as a whole can pull out of it, what we think the major CFML backers can do about it, and what we think you should be thinking about as a developer in the CFML community.

We expect this to invoke some differing opinions - so while we welcome the discourse, please remember to be civil.

In a rapid series of pre-holiday recordings we're proud to present episode 18 of "2 Devs from Down Under".

This episode is pretty much all about Flex. Mark and I are joined by Dirk Eisman, a friend of mine who's a Flex developer from Germany. Dirk and I have a quite long history from being very early adopters of Flex in Central Europe around 2003 and 2004 (we actually think the respective companies we worked for - and Dirk still is with - were kind of responsible for every single one of the few sales of Flex 1 in Germany, Austria and Switzerland

Dirk was recently invited to Adobe's Flex community summit. After having discussed the history of Flex, the pros and cons of various past and present licensing models, we naturally move on to what happened at Adobe in November 2011, what the future of Flex might be within the Apache Incubator and our personal thoughts about trusting Adobe and how each of us would deal with and be involved with Flex in the future. Be aware that at some point pink fluffy bunnies are mentioned.

Dirk on Twitter

Note (1): Unfortunately we forgot to talk about New Model Army (we ran out of time anyway, though). Best band ever! Fact!

Note (2): This was the first ever episode of our podcast that we actually edited post-recording. The reason was not swearing, blurbing out secrets or anything alike. It was just as simple as Dirk having a microphone/Skype issue that we fixed and it took around 2-3 minutes. Being nice and in holiday mood we thought we'd just edit it out. That being said - the policy of us being an unedited/semi-live podcast is still in effect!

In this episode, we come to you with a live recording from the cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex conference, joined by the always information Adobe Evangelist Terry Ryan.

Not only was this the first time that Kai and Mark were in the same country to record a podcast (not to mention the same room), it was their first time in front of a live audience (we swear it's not a laugh track).

We talk with Terry about the recent news regarding Flex being donated to the Apache foundation, and what that means for Flex and Flash as a whole.  We also pick his brains on the next version of ColdFusion codenamed Zeus, and see if we can get him to reveal anything extra about the release.

As expected, there is a lot of back and forth with the audience, and plenty of entertaining comments, including Mark stating that "nobody reads twitter", and Terry mentioning that "Linux users don't appreciate aesthetics" - all in good fun, of course

Unfortunately the sound quality is not the best, as we are not that experienced with live recording, however, we hope you enjoy the content and the crazy antics.

I don't want to take too much of the excitement away from you guys listening to our little, friendly neighborhood podcast this time, but expect some ranting on various levels:

• Kai had some interesting experiences with Adobe's customer support after Adobe's software activation (resp. a failure in it) made Kai having no activated Creative Suite licenses anymore, then
• Mark and Kai agree on how ridiculous it is having to deal with DRM'ed ebooks in a lot of scenarios (besides Kindle, which actually works quite well) and then
• Mark gets into a rant on Adobe showing the broadcast of the MAX 2011 keynote in a loop and not on demand.

We also talked the good things that happened at MAX and the implications Adobe's push into the HTML5/CSS/JS developer communities has on the large crowd of Flash/Flex developers.

Make sure you listen up to the end - there's a challenge in which we ask you to leave a comment if you haven't ever met us in person. There's a bet included - I need more than 15 people to leave a comment to win! Go for it, please!

And again Mark and I ran a session with two guests - coincidentally both speakers at cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex 2011: Sandy Mamoli and Phil Haeusler. Yet again Mark proved that he struggles to pronounce European last names with umlaut-replacements correctly (well, he's usually not even close) and yet again Mark found a new approach to introduce me weirdly at the beginning of the show.

We talked about Sandy's and Phil's sessions which basically deal with agile technical concepts (in Sandy's case) and geolocation/GIS (in Phil's case). Phil explained a few of the basic concepts of geolocation, we got into chats of him FB- and GIS-stalking his children when they're older (which Mark seemed be very interested in picking up to monitor his future offspring and general privacy discussions re use and abuse of such data.

Sandy points out that her talk is not going to be an agile introduction, but rather in introduction is some technical practices that people regularly use within agile workflows. Most of them are actually best practices for any development process, such as unit testing, continuous integration and more.

When Mark brought up the idea that he and I should talk about our sessions as well we got into a discussion on A/B testing and if/how it can be seen as an agile technical practice. Not sure if we reached any agreement on that though. I introduced my JVM tuning topic and one of the comments I got from Sandy was: "wow. and you can talk about that for 45 minutes?  VERY impressive". Thanks Sandy - I'm always trying to please

Two jobs: CF Developer in Melbourne and Flex/Java developer with GIS knowledge in Brisbane.

We finally managed to record episode 11 after a hiatus of nearly 2 months, geeez! This was mainly due to a combination of work trips, vacations and renovation projects on my (Kai) end, so don't blame Mark for any of this.

In the current episode we're starting a series of speaker interviews (or rather speaker panels) for cf.Objective + Flex (ANZ). The first session features Tanya Gray, AJ Dyka, AJ Mercer and Andrew Meyers. We start off by discussing mobile web development frameworks like SenchaTouch, jQuery Mobile and jqTouch. Flash and Flex on mobile becomes a topic of interest along the way as well and there's a common perception that the Flex components are "not quite there yet" when it comes to performance.

From there we move on to automated deployments and build scripts for cloud-based CFML development and the pros and cons of various version control systems. We talk about cloud hosting offerings and RESTful service design as well as development adhering to the idea of REpresentational State Transfer. Kai gets another chance to rant about SOAP-based web services, which he happily jumps on

We close the panel discussion with a chat about Mura CMS, its extension/plugin mechanism and CFML-based content management systems in general.

Thanks a lot to Tanya and the three Andrews for taking the time to have a chat with us. There are some more sessions with cf.Objective(ANZ) + Flex speakers in the pipeline - September will be a busy podcasting month

After being gone for a little while, we are back with our ninth episode!

After discussing Mark's new dog, Sukie, and how he's now also addicted to turntable.fm (as I'm sure Kai will soon be as well) we get into some deeper discussion of more relevant topics, such as how Ray Camden has joined Adobe (Yay!), and how Adobe has dropped support for Linux (Boo!).

From there we get into an in-depth discussion about A/B Testing (a.k.a Multi-Variant Testing). Including what it is, why you would want to use multi variant testing, what tools are currently available for doing multi variant testing, and what makes some better than others, from aspects such as capabilities as well as testing and deployment.

Mark then announces a new Open Source project, Squabble, which is a service side Multi-Variant suite that is written in ColdFusion that he has been working on with Ezra Parker and Josh Wines, that helps combat some of the issues that they have faced using some other multi variant testing tools out there.

Resources:

• Goodbye, Google
• Out of the cesspool and into the sewer: A/B testing trap
• Google Website Optimizer
• Visual Website Optimizer
• Optimizely

Events:

• Sydney Adobe Platform User Group - ColdFusion Builder 2
• Wellington Creative Suite User Group - Adobe Camera Raw